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Post by Rose on Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:52 pm

I know it's still some time from now, but I've been thinking we should start gauging what everyone's plans are for MoP, primarily concerning raiding. I know we've talked about splitting into 2 teams and running the 5 mans for gear and whatnot in order to start raiding right off the bat, but we haven't really discussed the actual 10 man team.

One thing I would really like to avoid this time around is the bummer of someone always being left out. It's pretty much happened to everyone at one time or another, for whatever reason.
In order to avoid that happening this time around, I would like to get an idea of everyone's plans. Who will have a solid commitment to our team, who isn't quite sure yet, how many we might lose etc etc.

To give everyone a more specific idea of what our plan is this expansion:

We won't be waiting until the end of the xpac to begin heroics. While we won't be a "hardcore raiding guild" nor will we be a casual raiding team any longer. Our team leaders and I have agreed that we want to be heroic raiding as soon as possible.
This is going to mean some level of time commitment, personal research and ironing out whatever weaknesses an individual player may have, as well as honing your strengths.

I want to make sure each raid member completely understands our plan so as to be fair to everyone and to avoid any confusion. We've always been a slow progressing, casual team of raiders. We are planning to raise the bar quite a bit.

My hope is that we won't lose valuable guild members due to the harsher requirements that we will need in order to build a really strong team. I hope everyone understands that they are a valued guild member even if they cannot or do not want to be on the heroic raiding team.
To give you all some idea of what I mean by harsher requirements:

1. We are talking about having a loot counsel, something a few of you have expressed negative feelings about. It's important to remember that the people on the loot counsel are your friends and team members. If you dislike the idea of a loot counsel because you don't trust the counsel, then you probably don't belong on the team. The loot counsel is being discussed for several reasons, one of the reasons being that it's been noted that some of our team seem more interested in what loot they, or their alts might receive, as opposed to getting the boss down as a team achievement. But there are other reasons as well that we will discuss.
I would like to avoid loot hassles and team members who are there mainly for loot. We will be discussing the loot counsel idea at the meeting this Sunday.

2. We are going to be discussing raid schedule. Right now, we raid approximately 3 hours per week on heroics. We need a tad more time than that. If that means we need to raid on weekends rather than weekdays, we can move that around. Majority is going to have to rule as there is no other way to determine what is going to be the best schedule.

3. Strengths and weaknesses. The MoP raid team is going to be asked not only to commit the time we need but to try your best to be a strong member of the raid team. This doesn't just mean you have good dps. You need to be able to get along with the entire raid team and work well with everyone. Listen to the raid leaders and adjust what you need to adjust. Do whatever personal research you need to do.
Pull your own weight, but also be willing to help out each raid member with positive tips or advice.

I know not everyone reads these boards so please direct our raid team members to this thread when you see them logged in. I need everyone to start thinking about what they want when MoP hits. I want to have a solid team already built and ready to go.

Thanks all!
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and woot;)

Post by Fangcaster on Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:28 pm

My plans will be DPS. and im willing to step up for that in an Officer role if needed. just remeber im pretty big headed and will talk alot of shit if im always at the top and some people dont like that Smile but im also doing ALOT of reserch on dps as a whole. yes even with FN HORDE TOONS like Shammies and Locks(witch drink their own pee by the way) i know im not like Monj and Ash with all the numbers and what not( cuz its bullshit and numbers cant be there if said class,spec,play style isnt there and boss mechs and CD usage ect..) sorry had to be said Wink but i do like the transition we are making and i love the way we are going about it truthfully. and to justify the loot: every heroic raid team that actually down all heroic content has these simple rules in place. and the way Rose has explained it is perfect. if you dont trust any of us then maybe its not the right place for you;) we are a 10 man raid team guys&gals not a big 25 man only play with eachother twice a week people! i mean i know Lucy goes to school we know Monj and Rose are married everyone knows i sell Vigina ect ect.. and i think i have forgotten what this post is about already.. LOL afro OH YA MoP.. i will be doing all i can to make our team number 1 on our server and i hope everyone else feels the same on this. if not im going to call you out:) its going to take alot of personal work and i know it and im in for it also Wink if it were up to me we would be doing 3 days a week at 4-5 hours at a time. but its not and im lucky cuz we wouldnt prolly be raiding together Wink buacuse really if you look back it takes us 3-4 hours to down heroic bosses. it just seems longer cuz our raid times .. so ya im IN Rose Wink
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OH and ;)

Post by Fangcaster on Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:34 pm

and by the way peeps.. i know i sound a lil harsh on these posts all the time. BUT! are you aware that we down these heroic bosses in 1/4 of the time as any other guild on our server? it took Play 67 pulls for heroic Ultrax. it took us 16. thats fucking awesome!!! if we put the time in i know we could be RANK 1 on our server is all im trying to say Wink
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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Lucienda on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:13 am

You know I will most likely be a mage and dps. If we are going for a realm first in heroics I know we will lose the casual in our raid team identity. This is unavoidable it will happen one day or another. We are on our way into that hardcore identity as a raid team. It has been a slow downhill slide for a while now. With that said I also think we should nail down raid times for the MoP as well I have my class schedules picked out for the Summer and Fall of this upcoming year and it is looking promising. We also need to establish how long a raid night is going to be. Times need to be established I know we have problems with people needing sleep or needing to get out of work ect. I do not know what people do on weekends but my weekends are free (mostly) and open to less homework and more wow time if needed. Weekdays can be tough sometimes due to homework and having to deal with school.
On to the matter of the loot council. You all know I have been against these systems of loot for a while now. I understand the need to distribute loot in a "fair" manor. I am willing to “try” this out. Please remember that this is a HUGE concession for me to make. I say try because we do not know if it will work out. We need the whole guild to understand what it is, how the council operates, and have discussions over this. I would like to “try” this out before MoP so I can plan accordingly. One thing I am ageist is you all using DKP. That is the system that has haunted me for a while and I don’t like it. The reason I am giving you all this concession is because I understand that our casual days are leaving us behind fast like I said in the paragraph above. Also, I did only experience DKP as a loot system. As far is who is on the council I think we need to have votes on that. Also I believe that the voting should not just be a onetime thing. The raid members not on the council should have a say every now and then on whether or not the council is doing its job correctly. We should hold elections for these spots every now and then to make sure that the council changes every now and then. It’s not that I do not trust you all, it’s just that if you could lose your spot on the loot council you would be more worried about what is best for the raid team as a whole and not who your best bud’s with. Voting every now and then keeps the raid team more content on who is on the council, what the council does, and gives some people the ability to challenge the council on issues they have with it. Plus, this keeps us having raid meetings which we should have more of to discuss times, how things work and the good things about that month.

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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Rose on Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:25 pm

One thing I'd like to get out in the open is that one of the reasons I have agreed to a loot counsel is because almost every single raid night, I get private tells from raid members who aren't happy about who got what.

I understand why some of you don't want a loot counsel, I really do. But try to see it from my perspective. From your perspective, everything is fine the way we have it. You see loot drop, you see people roll, you see loot drop in someones bag.

This isn't what actually happens. I get anything from :

"My alt could have used that, why are we putting it in GB?"
"He got legs last week, why does he get helm this week?"
"I've raided way more than he has, why did he get the loot over me?"
"If he gets to bring his alt, I'm bringing mine for loot"

Really, it goes on and on and on. I'm tired of having to justify who gets what. And it annoys me that I get the feeling that some of our team is only there for the loot

We have tried it this way for a very long time. I have tried explaining that I don't want to discuss loot issues during the raid. It's not stopping. I still get complaints every time we raid.

Lucy you expressed concern over who would be the loot counsel. Your fear is that whoever it is might be likely to give loot to their "buddy"
But none of us are really "closer" to any individual than another. Voting for the loot counsel isn't a bad idea overall...but if your fear is that the counsel will adopt a buddy plan...how do you know whoever is "voted for" won't be someones buddy? lol
See what I'm saying?

The only way to have an organized loot counsel is to nominate the most qualified to do it. Who does the most work doing research on such things? Who has consistently taken the time to read up about successful heroic raiding guilds? I think the answer is obvious.
I would like Fang on the loot counsel and I trust him completely to choose a partner to help.
2 people on the counsel is more than enough. More than that will only cause problems.

If you can think of a more qualified person, let me know. But it seems obvious to me

Edit: I want to make sure you understand that I am completely supportive of a democracy style system, even in a game. The reason I don't particularly feel this is something that needs voted on is because quite frankly, I've gotten to know everyone on our raid team pretty well and I don't feel that anyone else is more qualified than Fang to lead the loot counsel. We all bring something to the raid that is very important.
I love that Lucy and Star are so versatile and willing to learn what they need to learn in order to make us a better team. I really appreciate the time it's taken to learn new specs and whatnot.
I love that Monj is so patient and positive with everyone.
I love that Manty is so persistent and aggressive (but not overly so)
I love that Fang takes the time to research everything, posts our Wols etc. He's one of the keys to making us a great heroic raiding team.
Bey is sooo good about always showing up on time, never has to be told or reminded to eat, drink, be ready. He's very reliable.

Everyone on this team bring something great to the raid. Even Ass has been willing to respec for what is best for the team, on multiple occasions and he's not opposed to helping out with his tranq when needed. I also really appreciate the time Ass has taken to make various different threads on specs and numbers and whatnot. This is the attitude we need for heroic raiding.

Everyone has something that we need and is a valuable member of the team. Not to mention that we get along very well, for the most part.
The only thing that annoys me, like I said...is the whining about loot. I'd like to eliminate that once and for all.
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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Mikoda on Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:35 pm

Smile

So many posts, not enough time to read all of them... lol

As far as loot council, I am honestly against it 110%... I have seen that destroy guilds.

If we do it, then I will go along with it, but at the first sign of issues, I will ( you know me, lol) say something.

I think loot should be rolled upon, if you win the roll, you get it. If you need an offhand, dagger combo, and the offhand drops and you DONT have the dagger, then the person with the dagger should get it first, otherwise its a free roll. If people really complain about loot, then they need to get over it, rolling main spec for something you need is top of the order, if its completing a 4 set or 2 set, where for the other person would only have a 1/4 or 3/4 then you need it more. Granted the idea of loot council is that they look at these facts and decide, i've seen it go bad before. I trust fang, he is like me and researches WAYYYY more than he should, lol, as far as who else, I really dont know, most people only play one class, so understanding the stat gains from another is hard.


I'm totally up for it though, I think it will work out fine for us.


As far as me, I prefer to be the cruncher, I can look at our raid and tell who needs to do what to survive, what we need to do for heroics, and how close we are to killing something.

Loot from bosses that go to the GB SHOULD be offered up for alts if needed. Selling them on the AH for guild funding is painful, yeah, this adds to our funds, but if you REALLY want to make money, the bracers I can make with leathering are making me 5k a pop, 500G if I dont even have the mats. This is money coming out of my pocket, so I am saving it for gearing my alts. We can do a guild market on them too (and others we can make) by making 5-6 of them, and putting them on the AH for different prices from our mains AND alts. Either way, there are more efficient ways of making money for the guild than taking gear that is rare drop and selling it instead of letting alts or off specs have them.
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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Rose on Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:49 pm

I think I worded that wrong. My bad.

I meant more like...when nobody in the group needs a pattern or a piece of gear for example.

Absolutely we should give it to someone who needs it first. But when we put it in the GB, it would just sit there forever taking up space.
So we decided to sell anything that nobody in the raid group needs and put the funds in the GB. The funds go towards buying mats, fish, cauldron supplies, repairs, as well as funds for when someone needs to respec or whatever. This benefits the entire raiding group.

I have never asked for a BOE piece to be given to me for my hunter for example. It's tempting, but if I want the gear on my hunter, I will raid for it. If a BOE mail drops while we are raiding, we will sell it for guild funds (unless someone in the group is actually going to use it)

We have 2 options. One is to have a loot counsel doing the research and homework to see who benefits the most from what.
The other is for every single person to shut the hell up about how we are currently doing it.
I have given everyone 7 months to shut the hell up. They have not.

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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Radomize on Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:54 pm

Sooo.... I feel the need to say stuff cause I like to talk. Very Happy

So about the loot council. I am not entirely sure what it is to be REALLY honest. Is it just like a couple of people who decide where the loot is going to go throughout the raid as needed? Cause I don't think that sounds like a bad idea. ESPECIALLY if Fang is in charge. Fang is a boss at everything WoW. EVERYTHING. Plus, me and fang are buddies (right..?). Wink But I don't think that sounds like a terrible idea.

Just another suggestion is how we used to do it. I don't know if you remember or not cause you never really raided with us. But we just took it week by week. Like if we downed the first boss and I got say a healing mace. And then one dropped off the 3rd boss that was better than mine. I already got one, so I didn't roll unless no one else needed for main spec. And we just did it like that. But there was no bitching, we all just had fun, got geared, and raided. While I understand that is not really what we are doing now that we are into heroics. This might be a good system to start on and then just edit it as needed. Like one suggestion would be to stick to this style unless there were just certain pieces of gear(like my mace) goes to that person no matter what. Or your offhand or stuff. Just stuff that benefits the entire group as a whole. These are just suggestions coming from a little healer here. BUT those are my opinions.

And when it comes to raid schedules I think you are super weird Lucy. Cause being in college myself, we have ENTIRELY different schedules. Because I don't do shit during the weekend for school. I do all of my work during the week so that I don't have to do it during the weekend. But I also play with my band most of the weekend. Which I guess would bring me to my next topic that I probably couldn't guarantee that I would be there every time on the weekends. Which, if it came down to that, I would gladly step down. Which I wouldn't want to do, but I respect this raid team and have watched it come up, and would HATE to be the reason that it came down. But don't throw that option out the window because of that. I want what is best for the team.
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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Mikoda on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:01 pm

Eh, people are gonna complain either way really. With loot council the only thing that changes is that 2 people decide who gets what and why, it doesn't mean people are gonna like the decision. Gearing up tanks and healers is usually the first thing loot council does things, which means DPS will lose out for weeks at a time, therefor making them unhappy. Losing a roll to someone is one thing, you lost a fair roll, DEAL. But when loot council says that someone gets something for reason X you honestly had no fair chance due to it being predetermined by someone else.

A guild named "No Drama" ran loot council. they started doing so after they were 3 years old with a MASSIVE 25man core group of good friends. within 3 months the raid group was about 12 core and 13 pug, eventually we had to go to being a 10 man guild that pug'ed 2-3 people for that, and now, well, it was gone a year later.

It's not so much the idea that I dislike, it's the consequences of possibility
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Post by Rose on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:17 pm

That's just the problem though.

People roll and win or lose but that's not the end of it. They complain, incessantly, about who won what. I gave Manty Loot Master because I thought it might make people less likely to whine to me about who got what. But alas, they still whine to me lol

Loot Counsel should be someone we trust not to simply give the tanks or healers first dibs. It should be someone willing to do the research of each and every toon to see who will benefit the most, for the good of the entire raid party.

That means the dps as well as the tanks and healers. If we want to be a heroic raiding team, we should be distributing loot in an organized manner that will benefit the group not the individual.

This is the core of the problem. Most of our raid thinks on an individual basis. If we were going to be very honest, we have to admit that at least HALF of the raid is there just for loot for their own toon, not because they have a deep interest in progression. These people know who they are.
It's okay to want loot. We all do. It's exciting to get a new piece of gear. But if we want to progress, sometimes it's in the interest of the entire team to give the loot to someone else.
If we have all 10 of deciding this every single time we raid, it's going to be a mess. People are going to argue and the friendly atmosphere is going to deteriorate. Having 2 people that we trust to do the research and have decided prior to the raid who needs what (based on GROUP PROGRESSION) will eliminate squabbling, whining and greed.

Of course, if I'm wrong and it causes more issues than it's worth, we can figure out something else. I'm willing to give this a shot. I believe it will show us who is in this for the good of the group and who is not, simply put.
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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Mikoda on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:22 pm

As stated, I'm down for doing it, and it may prove me wrong and work out perfect.

As far as the group, personally I am in it for the gear more than progression, BUT Guess what!!! Can't get better gear WITHOUT progression. So my attitude is to progress so people can get better gear. Nuff said? Oh, And I just realized it, but monjo needed that offhand pretty bad from Ultrax, since he is using an FL one. And Star needed that staff for his DPS more than monjo needed it for tanking. Yeah, it's a massive boost, but it would give us more DPS than survive-ability in the long run. Right now DPS is our main issue.
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Post by Rose on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:30 pm

Those are perfect examples of why we need a loot counsel.

I wasn't even aware that a bear tank needed spirit or used an offhand at all. He's using the polearm, I assume.

Edit: You mean for his OS dps. Monj is tanking as his main spec and wouldn't take an offhand from a healer or a main spec dps. That would be silly.

Anyway...yes, these are reasons we need a loot counsel. We should have this stuff all figured out beforehand.
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Post by Mikoda on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:36 pm

Agreed. And yeah, I forgot that monjo is OS dps, didnt really consider that lol.

Either way, a loot council is kinda needed, due to the fact that maybe 3-4 out of the raid actually understand WHY an item would improve someone more than someone else. But by listening to what people say, and those people saying it IN THE DAMNED RAID CHAT, NOT TO ROSE, we can figure things out much easier. Stop chatting so much on loot rolls, people need to voice themselves more. Star was completely quiet and gifted monjo with the staff because it was in fact an upgrade for him, which is grand, but all in all I know deep down he was most likely REALLY pissed off because he knows the amount of help it would be to our DPS. Maybe he wasnt though, either way, he needs the bow more than anything, kinda fucked up it dropped the ONE time he wasnt there, and as a double for that matter, lol
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Post by Radomize on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:46 pm

So I guess there is a simple solution to all of this. Like I said, we could always just go off a roll basis and then give the stuff that people need really bad to them when that comes. Those are just my opinions. That seems like it would REALLY solve problems.

But then that also raises the same problem we have now of people bitching. Like I am going to use this as an example, the chest that me and monty rolled on. I won it, but he had been waiting so long and really needed it more than me. So I gave it to him. I had ZERO problem with that because it really would better the group. Also when the heroic token dropped off Ultrax. We both needed, both rolled, he won and it wasn't a problem.

I think that is our main problem is being greedy. Which I DON'T understand. I always look at it like a sports team. Which is how I explain it to people when they ask what I am doing. Like let's say I am Lebron James and Rose is Kobe. If my free throws suck, but hers are awsome but I get fouled more. She would probably help me get my free throws better. If that at all makes sense?

While I think we all agree on this that we all want our toons to be the best geared. We ALL feel this way. But we all have to look past this and realize that we are ALL part of a team. We should just roll and then give certain pieces to certain people if it will REALLY boost their specs.

Again, just my opinion. Very Happy
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Post by Lucienda on Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:30 pm

If people are complaining to rose about loot you need to stop complaining to the GM and say something! Please say Something! We are all understanding. Also as far as loot council goes I think Ash brings up some good points and like him if i see something going down hill I WILL SAY SOMETHING! NO IF ANDS OR BUTS about that one. I am willing to give it a "try" but if it doesn't work right then we need to be able to admit it to ourselves and move on. (But not to DKP)
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I KNEW IT HAHA!!

Post by Fangcaster on Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:26 pm

I knew this would be a huge topic lolol

i didnt say everything i needed to also. my goal really is tohave ALL our raider submit before hand a BiS list. and then I or whoever would put said list into a addon (witch i will post under addons) and from there whoever is in charge of that would give said loot to that raider. i would NEVER do a dkp system cuz its just not fair if we have to bring others in for some fights and whoever sits out will lose dkp and on and on. its a broken system set up for 25 man teams who really dont know who they are raiding with. another goal is to take the LOOT shit off the table so we can focus on the content without people getting tells or it taking us 10-15 min for people to go reforge yad yada! "IMO" if your here for gear only?? go PuG with someone else or run LFR it looks the same! loot whorin has held us back alot. we had all this on the table when we had our meeting on heroics and it seems people arent doing what they have promised. how big this post is proves it in my eyes! gear is a BIG part of the game i understand it HELLOO i play the game too Wink i had just thought we ALL wanted to do heroics for content and to bring our guild up in standing on our server..?.. if thats not going to be our focus, or if i hear one more fucking time that the reason we cant down said boss is cuz of GEAR i will snap and find another way to have fun playing this game that so many of us get pasionate about Smile ive said this before in two dif meetings about our Heroic conquest:) if what im bringing up doent work for us sweet we will try other things. but if we dont try i feel it will put more strain on what we are trying to do this for. and REALLY!!!? we are not even close to being a "HARDCORE" raid team. i hate those terms ; / IMO if we ask someone to change specs for a fight or say HEY we have to have this kind of dps from people. thats not hardcore! thats playing the game. sure you can beat super mario bros without getting a mushroom or flower! but thats just you playing by yourself, here we have 10 people that take the time from their lives to play this game:) and if you dont want to get the Flower then piss off go que for a 5 man or something Smile again im sorry for yelling Wink lol.. damn i really let shit out when all i have to do is type(poorly) shit out hahahahah)
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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Rose on Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:17 pm

I like your idea Fang. It's fair, organized, simple and eliminates squabbling. Nobody wants a point system.

Your system sounds like exactly what we need. How would we go about giving you a BIS list? Let me know how you want this done and I'll submit mine and Monjs ASAP.

Also, choose a partner to pair up with you on this so you don't get stuck doing all the work.
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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Radomize on Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:30 pm

Can you just find that on Mr. Robot?
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Post by Lucienda on Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:31 pm

Fang I like your idea its simple and to the point. Yes you can get BIS list from Mr. Robot but I would check around to make sure that is the right list Ash. We also need to figure out how the system is going to distribute loot. Is it going to be tanks and healers first or are we going to look at who it will benefit the most? Or are we going to go top dps to lowest dps ect. We need plans and I would like the whole guild to understand where we are going with this system. Still it is a start in the right direction. Sry to add another post to this long form thread. Just some thoughts to think on.
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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Mikoda on Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:24 am

BiS is not determined by us, but by people that are number crunchers, they "say" certain things are BiS based on detailing, but things can be interchangeable. Trinkets and rings for example, I can make will of the unbinding my BiS OR got for cunning of the cruel. cunning is stated to be better, and for a lot of fights it is, but I can make more use of wil because of the MASSIVE intel boost. also, my BiS gear is based on having each and every piece. In that case, I still need my boomkin legs. Which I have NEVER gotten. that way I can use my resto chest with the other 4 pieces being boomkin gear. my biS for weapon is the staff, durr, so obviously I will not get that. whats next? DEBATABLE! the weapon from Morchok is top notch, but is equaled with the 403 dagger that monjo has. the dagger is better for AoE and buffed fights, but the mace actually is better for fights like ultrax. BiS is based on stat priorities. If I went mastrey stacking, I would do about the same DPS, but would have less haste, meaning I would have a longer ramp up time. If I went crit, I would have VERY little mastery, meaning my spells would do less damage if i didnt have lots of crits, but my DPS would be WAY higher if I crit a lot. Granted all leather caster gear is for druids, not much competition really.
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missd the point a bit...

Post by Fangcaster on Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:12 pm

if a raider doesnt want to take the time and see what his/her BiS gear will be for the instance we are progressing on then again your prolly not doing as much as the rest are to advance or focus on the fight. do sim craft do Mr. gaybot Smile do what you have to do and give whoever the list so we can FOCUS on the fight. i think everyone is kinda over thinking this a bit. ash you wear leather.. right? so its safe to say any leather with intel on it will be good for you. same goes for trinkets and wepons. but if you find out that a dagger with agil and mastery on it is better.. LET WHOEVER KNOW so they can put take it into acount. im wanting to get this hammered out for Xpac! and as far as getting healers and tanks geared first YES that is a good way to advance in new content. but it might be that a fight or a whole raid for that matter might go back to 3.2 and we really have to have dps geared first to advance. i just really want to try and take loot off the table during raid is all guys. we are all friends for shit sake! i guess this is my lil test to see who really wants to advance and not just be the best geared or have the highest numbers. trying to get everyone wanting the TEAM to be good not themselfs. doing heroics isnt about what you know or ive done this and that. its about US. what are WE going to do to get passed this. and if its going to be that much of an issue. again i will find another way to play and have fun Smile i dont want to waist others time Wink and you all better be at the meeting Wink well cept Lucy she hates us all ; / lol!
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oops sorry the addon is

Post by Fangcaster on Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:29 pm

lol sorry guys Wink the addon im talking about is called Raidtracker. its a really big addon. i know you will say "well hey its a dkp thing" it is at start. thats not what im after in this addon. i personaly would just use it for BiS and loot. for this to work in game i would need everyone to send me and XML. file and i or whoever would upload it. but now that i think about it... i think a better solution would be to have everyone post on our website their BiS list. that way everyone could browes it and i think it would take a lil off the people not trusting others. the other thing i wanted to bring up is when should we give loot out? if it were just me.. i would say after raid. but i think during our break would be a better time to do so. and i say that cuz: i want to try and enchant and/or gem said piece if possable to give it to said person. again i just want our FOCUS to be about content and progression. im sure we will hash out alot of this during our meeting.
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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Mikoda on Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:31 pm

Here is the thing though. BiS gear is what a website says is better. Granted these people do a lot of math to figure things out, they admit that their representation of itemization is NOT fact, but recommendation. Best in Slot only applies if you have every piece, that way the reforging and gemming is perfect from base up and you dont have issues finding that 0.02 haste for a plateau jump. Honestly I refuse to run loot on a system where any one or two people say who gets what based on what they requested as BiS. EVEN THOUGH I am going to be the only one getting the leather Int gear, unless we come across another resto druid/ boomkin combo. It's fair for me, I get everything I want, and then some. But to our casters in cloth, well, not so fair.
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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Rose on Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:13 pm

Fang stop threatening to leave the guild lol

It makes me ...have less faith in you
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Re: MoP Raid team thoughts

Post by Radomize on Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:38 pm

Rose wrote:Fang stop threatening to leave the guild lol

It makes me ...have less faith in you

Word. xD
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