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Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

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Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Rose on Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:15 pm

We kind of started a discussion about healing priority. Didn't have an opportunity to finish it as we were owning Ultraxions face like bosses.

I don't know about other healers but my healing priority is:

1. Main tank and myself
2. Off tank and the other healer
3. Highest dps

If the healer or the tank dies, everyone dies.

If at all possible, obviously keep the entire raid alive. A good healer won't let anyone die, even if they are derping and stand in fire *cough* tush *cough*
But in heroics, sometimes you absolutely can't keep everyone up. That's where the healing priority comes in.

Some healers don't look at the dps chart in their meters. Keep an eye on it. Keep yourself and the tanks alive. If it looks like you can't humanely manage to keep all the dps up, then sacrifice the lowest first. Sounds sad, but it's the only way.

I can tell you're going to be a great healing partner Rado. Healers need to coordinate and make sure they know what their healing priorities are going to be.
My rule of thumb is to keep everyone alive, all the time, unless it's absolutely necessary to make a choice.

Great job last night.
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NOT a healer BUT;)

Post by Fangcaster on Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:05 pm

Well Rose here are my thoughts:)

From a dps point of view i DO look at healing meters and i wouldnt bring things up unless i see something that can be improved. Rado is awesome but only cuz he has you;) abd he needs to watch his mana consumption and over healing! i can see how its hard to work with a Disc priest cuz they are a healing spec all in their own. the way i know he can improve even MORE would be maybe set up his UI so he sees your bubbles that is what needs to happen! that will be his point of ref to start healing who needs it the most. Healing with a Disc partner is wierd for a Pally. they are Tank healers in every other part of the game. except when they run with a Disc. and Most priests are sposed to be Raid heals lol see what i mean? you guys have the BEST heals in the game right now regardless of what people say about Shammies and Droods. are you guys aware that we are sposed to be THREE healing all these fights you guys TWO heal? yes even in 10 man. i do think that after awhile of Rado getting used to Healing with a Disc Partner he will learn so much about healing in WoW. And our DPS needs to FUCKING step up and watch their dmg taken!!! i dont want to hear any excuses on this! im usally at the top of the charts and the bottom of dmg taken. and i wear fucking CLOTH FFS! i have shilds that cost GCDs! every other class has def CDs that are instant and not used enuf. ELF!! wtf why would you onoly use AMS 3 times on Ultrax?? STONE!! why wouldnt you use that awesome 1min CD on every CD?? STAR!! why did you only use DeT twice? and not use FD when you had aggro?? Lucy when you hit your button you have all the time in the world to put up your shields ! these are things that will take us up a lvl in our heroic raiding ITS WHY I TAKE TIME TO USE WOL!! assholes!! Smile and RADO needs to use HoS way more! he wares PLATE! has 20-40k more HP than the rest of the dps easy. dont be afraid of BoPin the range dps! we can still do full dmg with that(mele cant so watch it ) and dude Rado.. Aura Mastery is one of the biggest def CDs in the Game atm! use it more please:) and Rose remeber you can use your Big shield twice in most fights( i do see it twice on Ultrax and its awesome tho) sweet Wink WoL and all the videos i put up are there so you guys can see the fights and KNOW how long they are so you can get FULL usage out of your CDs. and im telling it like this cuz it seems we only get better when we get yelled at! and you all know this to be true. our dps jumped up sooo much when we said we are gunna start replacing people remember? YA YOU DO!i want to to see us ALL improving on every wipe!! strait up! do you know how easy it would be to replace a dps? very very easy while doing heroics so think on it Wink and get FN better so our healers can relax save mana for parts when we need it! we will never ever get Heroic Spine down without everyone using their def CDs properly! and have a good day and see you on HFL tonight Wink
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Rose on Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:35 pm

There are things I need to do too. I intend to start practicing with a good healing addon. Not using an addon is fine for regulars, but for heroics those extra seconds are going to count.

I hope everyone knows that when we're asking for raid members to step it up, that the leaders are no exception. I know I have some work to do as well. I want us all at our best and ready for MoP heroic raiding.
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INDEED!!

Post by Fangcaster on Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:04 pm

Rose is soooo right guys. i seen it in my own right when i looked at loggs and seen i should be doing 10mil on that fight. but i went and re-read all the shitty post and guides on Fire Mages to see what i was doing wrong and to see what i needed to get done to make those numbers work. why do you think i was so quite when we were raiding lastnight? i put all i had into it! and if we all do that OMG we would be unstappable guys. and did you know that we are competing with Play directly?? we are a 10 man raid team and 10 man has a whole diff rating sustem with raid content. Armored Justice spit and malice all still do 25 man. So please lets take this very serious but still find that balance we have atm with how much we have fun with eachother ( and i know thats what she said) its so hard to find that line where "Hardcore" and "casual" meet and yet still have fun and bring our guild to the TOP of US Hellscream Smile
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Rose on Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:40 pm

I think the best description of our raid team is "casually hardcore"
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Mikoda on Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:11 pm

I consider us Hardcore casuals actually, lol.

As far as healing though -

Since I run as a druid, my priorities are different, I can't tank spam and keep mana, so I use my HoTs as needed.

Keep lifebloom up on whichever tank takes the hardest hits- refresh with nourish so it doesnt run out
Keep rejuv on people that need it, this is a long term heal that just adds a little
Since I know the timers when people are going to take a lot of damage as a raid, I put rejuvs on several targets
When the raid takes a lot of damage, I wild growth to put a really powerful hot on 5-6 people, and make sure switmend is down for an AoE heal.
I use tranq almost on CD to help with other healers mana, and also make sure to have it when there is going to be a lot of healing to be done, tree form is used sparingly when I need that extra boost.
Regrowth ( my direct heal + hot) is saved for when someone takes big hits, and also when my freebie procs as a main heal.
Innervate myself on CD for mana regen and to make my spells 25% cheaper.
As far as priorities -
Tanks NEED to have hots up, I try to make sure they always have something
then I make sure other healers are topped off with a possible HoT as well
Afterwards it's raid healing as a whole, not just who has the least health or top DPS, but everyone. if someone is below 50% I will use a big heal to get them to full fast. Healing touch is VERY powerful, and doesnt really use much mana compared to regrowth, so I use it from time to time for anyone that needs it.
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Radomize on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:08 pm

Welllll.... Here are my healing priorities.

1. Tank (which I don't have to worry about as much because of my Beacon of Light.)
2. Rest of the raid.

Which I know this is a bad way to go about it. But current pally healing is 100% based off of my holy radiance. Which you guys were saying not to do at the end of ultrax, but if I didn't people would just die. Cause my only other spell that really heals fast enough would keep 1 person alive and no one else. So I have to spam that, which has a 10-13k heal at the start that hits everyone and then it ticks.

I need to start keeping the DPS meters up instead of the healing meters. I actually hadn't thought about it the way you said Rose. This is my first toon to ever heal and especially in a raid setting.

Also, we should talk about healing addons. Because I have tried heal bot, but I can't heal with my mouse and don't know how to change it. I don't know what other ones there are, nor how to set them up. So could you help me with that?

I am more than willing to change my entire UI if I have to.
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Mikoda on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:18 pm

Rado - DO NOT change anything. If you are healing that good without addons, stick to it. With that Maw you are going to see a MASSIVE increase.

I do not use healing addons, never have and never will. I have everything I need keybound and numbered and click to target, mash to heal. OmniCC is nice to keep an eye on CDs as well as ticks from HoTs.

And whoever said not to spam holy radiance has no idea what they are talking about, that is EXACTLY the spell you should use after you get blue, and spam the SHIT out of it, lol.
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Mikoda on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:19 pm

And rado, you are doing an amazing job man. VERY glad you got back in with us, because there is NO way my resto druid was going to do the throughput you have, lol
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Rose on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:25 pm

Bottom line is a good healer will do their best to keep everyone alive.

This thread was about those situations where that is impossible. When it's impossible to keep everyone up, for whatever reason, healing priority kicks in. You don't want to wipe, you can't keep everyone alive...what's the priority then?

Keep the people alive that are most likely to keep us from wiping.

One thing you and I need to work on Rado is being aware of each other. The reason an addon makes this easier is because it can tell me what you're doing as well. This is going to matter in Heroic Raiding.
If we are going to 2 heal so many bosses, then we need to know at all times what the other healer is doing and when we might need to cover each other.
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Mikoda on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:31 pm

It's never truly impossible to keep everyone alive, but it's pretty damned hard sometimes, lol. A suggestion that I know works for me, Know the fights, know WHEN your other healer is going to be unable to heal, or who they will be unable to heal based on the locations, or need for movement. Watch DBM popups as best you can and sync with it. Discuss fights between each other so you know when and why you will need to step up for a second.

Such as ultrax - Rose has to hop over and grab red, then come back, this is 2-3 seconds that rado HAS to watch the tanks a little more. same goes the other way for green, blue spawns in the middle, so it's pretty simple. Coordination is boss, and as fang has stated, we are progression MUCH faster and with less gear than Play. overall at least.
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Radomize on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:56 pm

Yeah, I understand all that Rose. And I really watch you as much as possible. We just need to talk more, I think in normal mode we pretty much know each others movements in and out. xD But I do tend to overheal A LOT. Which I noticed and just don't know how to fix.

So we should really start discussing addons to see what might help in the long run. Because I cannot see anything that you put up on people. Which does make things a little harder. I just see incoming heals. Not your bubbles.
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What the Fuck ever;)!

Post by Fangcaster on Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:53 pm

Fuck him.. if you havent used a UI addon.. TRY IT! your great now maybe it will bring you up to that next lvl ? the moment you stop questiong shit is the moment you should just quit the game.. really.. if you want the same easy shit play Duck Hunt. and it was FANGCASTER who said that HR wouldnt keep the raid up at 20%! and guess what it didnt fuck ASS! it was that along with Roses awesome Bubbles. and i didnt just make a guess on that dude.. i read and watch almost every top 50 guilds that i can when it comes to raiding. i have ever since LK 25Heroic. its something you do and just make a habbit out of it . and everywhere i was seeing that the Healer would have to make a choice at some point to just heal the dps and a Tank. and i almost never say " IT HAS TO BE DONE" or you fail unless i know for a fact that it is so. things i say are strong opinions. i would never tell a class i dont play WHAT to do like some others( you know who im talking to) .. OK sorry for yelling:) Smile at the end if the day Rado TRY shit out!! if not you will get bored and lame and it will effect the other 9 people you raid with and that will suck dude Wink
AND i really hope others dont just stumble onto the website .. they will be like "Who is this Fangcaster guy hes a real dick." hahaha
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Radomize on Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:02 pm

I guess it is just that time of the month for Fang... Wink


Well I don't really know any addons to try. I have tried heal bot and it failed miserably. I have tried VooDoo(spelling?) and I couldn't really figure it out fully. I couldn't get anything to work right and it drove me nuts. xD And I just hate grid. Doesn't show enough for me. Which if fine in 10m.

What healing addons should I give a shot then?
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well

Post by Fangcaster on Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:33 pm

its not really "healing addons" its more UI addons. Grid and Vuhdo are prolly the best out there atm. but what you might want to do is go to Youtube and find guides on these addons . and from those guides you should be able to tell if you can adjust them how you want them. i still stand strong that if you have another person in the same spec same gear but is doing more than you ..its an addon or that person is finding a better way to get out what they have to get out by mer seconds. in this game even two secs is the diff between 20k and 30k.
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Radomize on Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:59 pm

Yeah, Well I talked to Mik and completely changed how I am healing. I am not really sure what else I could to improve that instead of finding a better rotation for my cd's or something.

Also, I REALLY need to start using my hands a little more. I forget that I have them 90% of the time.
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Mikoda on Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:29 am

Actually spamming HR is the recommended way to bump everyone up, followed by direct heals when needed. obviously spamming one spell isn't 100% perfect, but it did in fact keep everyone up. I died to mechanics, as did stone. If our DPS were higher we wouldnt have hit the 5Min mark and HR would have been plenty. I've run the numbers, and I know that when 2 healing rose's bubbles are a major factor, but when you have blue, you dont always have time between GCD to cast direct heals, its 1sec per heal, which means one person gets a heal per second. spamming HR means the raid gets a small heal plus a HoT. And I have never told anyone how to play a class I havent played, given Pally is the only class I havent played, all I did was make the suggestion that I have seen work several times before.
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Radomize on Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:17 am

Yeah, well which it turned out very well. We killed the boss non the less.
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Dmonty on Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:56 pm

We Killed ultras with 2 heals? crazzzzzzyyyyyy.

we downed him at 5:29. Super close to the soft enrage, As long as were all doing 29-32k, we shouldn't have to worry about this. Some dps are lacking and getting pwnt by the tank! research your class! we are all 395~400 ilvl so the meters shouldn't be a issue. i would like to see next kill around 5:00.
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Mikoda on Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:04 pm

2 Amazing healers at that, lol.

We have people that still need gear from normals. Fang needs to finish his staff quest, I need my dagger and tier legs, and almost EVERYONE needs their Ring or trinket slots finished. Plus several people are still in need of minor tweaks, Elf needs to be unholy, and Monty needs to be doing more DPS, 25k for a tank is SHIT! lol, I kid, either way we did it, got upgrades, and Rado got his MAW!!!! This week will show vast improvements
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Radomize on Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:40 pm

Was that Monty..? This is the first time I have seen him on here. xD
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Re: Healing Heroics (Discussion with Rado and other healers)

Post by Mikoda on Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:09 pm

Dmonty wrote:We Killed ultras with 2 heals? crazzzzzzyyyyyy.

we downed him at 5:29. Super close to the soft enrage, As long as were all doing 29-32k, we shouldn't have to worry about this. Some dps are lacking and getting pwnt by the tank! research your class! we are all 395~400 ilvl so the meters shouldn't be a issue. i would like to see next kill around 5:00.

Oh, Soft enrage is 5:00 Death is 6:00 (his "enrage" is just him going boom. I think with things moving along we will see a faster kill. Don't forget we had 2 DPS down because of mechanics.
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